Usman: Respected Sir, How are you?
Venu: Hi Mr. Usman, How are you. Are you calling from Lahore? I am in Mumbai.
Usman: Yes sir, i am from lahore...
Few days ago Miss Dalit asked me about yourself, she said don't try to chat with Venu on orkut...
Sir is there something serious...?
Venu: What are you doing? Are you working or studying? I am working as a Stenographer and my age is 55. I do not no Miss. Dalit, except she seems anti-RSS. RSS is a natioanlistic organisation in India. Many see it as a communal and anti-Muslim organisation. But this isnot true.
Usman: Ok, sir i am a student of Philosophy and Religion, still studying, and i am 25
Venu: Good. We can chat sometimes. I am not in front of this PC always. Most of the time I am taking dictation as I am a steno. Whenever you call and I am in front of the PC, I shall certainly talk to you. I am very interested in Sufism.
Usman: Sir, its my pleasure, I am also student of Sufism, But its difficult to find the true form of sufism, as in inida a lot of sects but no one is performing the true picture of sufism, and still i waiting for the perfect definition of sufism.
Sent at 14:06 on Thursday
Venu: According to me Sufis are people who have discovered freedom and will not part with that freedom at at cost. Once a King wanted to visit a famous Sufi, who was living in a hut. So the King's minister came and told the Sufi that the King is coming to visit you tomorrow. The minister thought that the Suffi will be very happy and look forward to the visit. Instead, the Sufi said, tell your King that my hut has two doors. If the King comes in through the front door, I will leave through the back door! Such are Sufis. The best of them were truly free, fearless and did not want any favours from anyone.
Sent at 14:09 on Thursday
Usman: Sir, there is something which brings a sufi out of fear and frustration. According to Quran, "Friends of God have no fear and frustration". And the only criteria to recognize God's friends is that they have no fear. So a sufi is a friend of God. But approaches towards sufism differs, sometimes a man who says, "My top priority if God" became a sufi and sometimes we need to struggle hard to become a sufi...
Sent at 14:13 on Thursday
Venu: Yes. What we become depends on what we already are. It is difficult to change the trajectory of our life but if we are really determined, we could become what we want to be.
Sent at 14:17 on Thursday
Usman: I agree with you, because i think, before my birth i was made what i want to be, now the problem is, i have to attain that situation again. I know you love Rumi, and you said me to send beautiful quotes of Rumi, If you Remember.
Sir, i have only one good quality and that is i don't forget people either good or bad.
Sent at 14:20 on Thursday
Venu: I have read a bit of Rumi and he was a marvellous mystic. About attaining something, it would do well if we understand that we and our circumstances are perfect. We already are what we might want to achieve. It is in a way an ignorance to feel that we are not OK now and have to achieve something to be OK. Actually we are perfect. We have only to celebrate our perfection.
Sent at 14:24 on Thursday
Usman: Well sir, my teacher said "Psychology when applied to others is a science and when it is applied to one's ownself is mysticism". I think Sufis have attained to applied psychology on their own self, they can judge what they said, and their words follow their actions and that's what make them different from society.
Sent at 14:26 on Thursday
Venu: There are lot of teachings in Hinduism yet it is widely agreed that the aim of all teachings is to attain the state of non-duality as taught in the highest Hindu teachings. Likewise I think the state of "sufihood" could well be the aim of Islamic teachings but this is not very apparent as Islam appears to have come into the grip of Mullahs who go by the word and not the spirit of the word, just as the Church has hijacked the teachings of Jesus, which is one of love. In Hinduism also there are many who stick to the word and practise the detested caste system. Man should become free and he would no longer want to imprison anyone - sometimes he needs to become free from religion also, as religions tend to imprison people.
Usman Khan: Kings do not kill kings
Usman: The religion is nothing but a way towards God, Actually islam has more than 50 sects now, but the only sect which welcomes all is Sufism, not only to muslims but to all the humanity. For the past few years i am trying to be a sufi, i have leart that Sufism is the way toward God not towards individuality or towards illusion, but a few sects of sufism make a man an angel, and i think a man is a man and was a man before the angel was born. So a man is important....
well said, it is very common to be uncommon and it is very uncommon to be common. Be common but do not adopt the habits of common...
Venu: You are right. I wish you all the best in becoming a Sufi. It was great talking to you and we shall continue another day. Best wishes to you and your family and friends. Bye for now.
Usman: Thank you sir.
Venu: Hi Mr. Usman, How are you. Are you calling from Lahore? I am in Mumbai.
Usman: Yes sir, i am from lahore...
Few days ago Miss Dalit asked me about yourself, she said don't try to chat with Venu on orkut...
Sir is there something serious...?
Venu: What are you doing? Are you working or studying? I am working as a Stenographer and my age is 55. I do not no Miss. Dalit, except she seems anti-RSS. RSS is a natioanlistic organisation in India. Many see it as a communal and anti-Muslim organisation. But this isnot true.
Usman: Ok, sir i am a student of Philosophy and Religion, still studying, and i am 25
Venu: Good. We can chat sometimes. I am not in front of this PC always. Most of the time I am taking dictation as I am a steno. Whenever you call and I am in front of the PC, I shall certainly talk to you. I am very interested in Sufism.
Usman: Sir, its my pleasure, I am also student of Sufism, But its difficult to find the true form of sufism, as in inida a lot of sects but no one is performing the true picture of sufism, and still i waiting for the perfect definition of sufism.
Sent at 14:06 on Thursday
Venu: According to me Sufis are people who have discovered freedom and will not part with that freedom at at cost. Once a King wanted to visit a famous Sufi, who was living in a hut. So the King's minister came and told the Sufi that the King is coming to visit you tomorrow. The minister thought that the Suffi will be very happy and look forward to the visit. Instead, the Sufi said, tell your King that my hut has two doors. If the King comes in through the front door, I will leave through the back door! Such are Sufis. The best of them were truly free, fearless and did not want any favours from anyone.
Sent at 14:09 on Thursday
Usman: Sir, there is something which brings a sufi out of fear and frustration. According to Quran, "Friends of God have no fear and frustration". And the only criteria to recognize God's friends is that they have no fear. So a sufi is a friend of God. But approaches towards sufism differs, sometimes a man who says, "My top priority if God" became a sufi and sometimes we need to struggle hard to become a sufi...
Sent at 14:13 on Thursday
Venu: Yes. What we become depends on what we already are. It is difficult to change the trajectory of our life but if we are really determined, we could become what we want to be.
Sent at 14:17 on Thursday
Usman: I agree with you, because i think, before my birth i was made what i want to be, now the problem is, i have to attain that situation again. I know you love Rumi, and you said me to send beautiful quotes of Rumi, If you Remember.
Sir, i have only one good quality and that is i don't forget people either good or bad.
Sent at 14:20 on Thursday
Venu: I have read a bit of Rumi and he was a marvellous mystic. About attaining something, it would do well if we understand that we and our circumstances are perfect. We already are what we might want to achieve. It is in a way an ignorance to feel that we are not OK now and have to achieve something to be OK. Actually we are perfect. We have only to celebrate our perfection.
Sent at 14:24 on Thursday
Usman: Well sir, my teacher said "Psychology when applied to others is a science and when it is applied to one's ownself is mysticism". I think Sufis have attained to applied psychology on their own self, they can judge what they said, and their words follow their actions and that's what make them different from society.
Sent at 14:26 on Thursday
Venu: There are lot of teachings in Hinduism yet it is widely agreed that the aim of all teachings is to attain the state of non-duality as taught in the highest Hindu teachings. Likewise I think the state of "sufihood" could well be the aim of Islamic teachings but this is not very apparent as Islam appears to have come into the grip of Mullahs who go by the word and not the spirit of the word, just as the Church has hijacked the teachings of Jesus, which is one of love. In Hinduism also there are many who stick to the word and practise the detested caste system. Man should become free and he would no longer want to imprison anyone - sometimes he needs to become free from religion also, as religions tend to imprison people.
Usman Khan: Kings do not kill kings
Usman: The religion is nothing but a way towards God, Actually islam has more than 50 sects now, but the only sect which welcomes all is Sufism, not only to muslims but to all the humanity. For the past few years i am trying to be a sufi, i have leart that Sufism is the way toward God not towards individuality or towards illusion, but a few sects of sufism make a man an angel, and i think a man is a man and was a man before the angel was born. So a man is important....
well said, it is very common to be uncommon and it is very uncommon to be common. Be common but do not adopt the habits of common...
Venu: You are right. I wish you all the best in becoming a Sufi. It was great talking to you and we shall continue another day. Best wishes to you and your family and friends. Bye for now.
Usman: Thank you sir.
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